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luxor9 · Oct 13, 2006, 01:17 PM // 13:17

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Originally Posted by cynnn

Please dont make comments like that, you put other guildwars player under a bad light.

And in response to someone earlier who said he/she has spent alot of money on guildwars and no monthly fees ur ass, please.. Take a look at another angle. Yes, players still gotta fork out considerable amounts of money to enjoy guildwars and its expansion. But, its totally optional. If you dont wish to follow the expansion, don't, your account will not be closed or unable to access. You are able to continue playing. Yes, the amounts of money u pay for the original gw and its expansions almost amounts to a monthly fees for games like WOW. But, in WOW, whatever method you used to pay to play, you have to play to get your money's worth, unless u're rich and don't mind paying for nothing. In guildwars, u pay upfront for the game, and play forever until guildwars is down in the distant future. Whether you wana login for 3mins and log off for the rest of the month, you won't be bothered about spending for nothing. This is freedom.. or should i say, less restriction since freedom is a very difficult to define word because it means almost differently to different people. Anyway, other elements found in guildwars also promotes freedom.

I think your in denial. Your main argument is that it's an optional choice to continue buying expansions. If you like guildwars and are playing it now chances are your gonna buy the new expansions when they come out or when you can afford them. In that case your paying more per month than any online game out right now and I can't say guildwars is the best game out there.

They like to make you think you have a choice and don't have to buy the expansions but your at a serious disadvantage to the people that do. It's very expensive to stay competetive in guildwars let's just leave it at that. Yes they give you a choice, high monthly fee=competetive player vs low monthly fee=casual pve player. Atleast they give a choice I guess but the latter is not exceptable for most players and there you have it a high monthly fee to play guildwars competetively.

Coridan · Oct 13, 2006, 01:57 PM // 13:57

If u bought GW prophecies ....pm me in game if u need help. IGN Coridan A

You can do this by hitting N on the keyboard and putting a persons name int the box. Also if u have prophecies. I would recommend staying in Pre searing until you are at least lvl 5-8 as it will help u play a little more effectively once u leave the starter area. Try all of the different secondary professions before you decide upon one. Hrm Not too sure about factions as I skipped that chapter. I have been playing pretty much non stop for the past 5 months and still feel that i have alot to accomplish in GWP. Although I am ready for a new chapter for "something new". Good luck and have fun. Also try several different guilds...people will invite u alot to guilds... until u find the one u want.

A. Noid · Oct 13, 2006, 02:32 PM // 14:32

luxor9:

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Atleast they give a choice I guess but the latter is not exceptable for most players and there you have it a high monthly fee to play guildwars competetively.

Most players? Please define 'most players'
I would bet a good many customers prefer PvE. I know I do. Free is free. I don't have a bill every month. I can pick this game up or put it down at my liesure(sp?) and not have to worry about wasted money.
You also can shop around for the best price. I paid $0 for Factions by simply signing up for a credit card on Amazon. (There was a $40 off your first purchase promo at the time)
Factions sold for $30 something not to long ago at Circuit City.
I guess what I'm saying is, there are options with GW.

-A

Loviatar · Oct 13, 2006, 02:36 PM // 14:36

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Originally Posted by luxor9

I think your in denial. Your main argument is that it's an optional choice to continue buying expansions. If you like guildwars and are playing it now chances are your gonna buy the new expansions when they come out or when you can afford them. In that case your paying more per month than any online game out right now and I can't say guildwars is the best game out there.

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MATH 101

CHAPTERS 1/2/3 (INCLUDES NIGHTFALL) 18 MONTHS 150 DOLLARS US

18 MONTHS WOW @ 15 DOLLARS PER MONTH NOT INCLUDING THEIR BURNING CRUSADE IS 18X15=270

NOW THE HARD PART

270-150=120 DOLLARS LESS

JUST A BIT MORE THAN HALF THE COST OF WOW.

A. Noid · Oct 13, 2006, 02:53 PM // 14:53

Just one more thought,
With Guild Wars, I get what I pay for plus free time to play it.
With WoW, I pay for time and get updates for free.
With WoW, updates are implied with no time line guarantee. Yo uwill get what you get when they are ready to give it to you. In the mean time, you are paying for time.
With GW, time is free. Updates are paid for. It's a really nice incentive to get good, quality updates out to the customers. Kind of like a commission.

For me, I'll take GW.

-A

Titan Chrae · Oct 13, 2006, 03:11 PM // 15:11

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

MATH 101

CHAPTERS 1/2/3 (INCLUDES NIGHTFALL) 18 MONTHS 150 DOLLARS US

18 MONTHS WOW @ 15 DOLLARS PER MONTH NOT INCLUDING THEIR BURNING CRUSADE IS 18X15=270

NOW THE HARD PART

270-150=120 DOLLARS LESS

JUST A BIT MORE THAN HALF THE COST OF WOW.

I've been playing GW for alrady for 18 months and Nightfall would extend value another 6 months so the calculation would be:

CHAPTERS 1/2/3 (INCLUDES NIGHTFALL) 24 MONTHS 150 DOLLARS US

24 MONTHS WOW @ 15 DOLLARS PER MONTH NOT INCLUDING THEIR BURNING CRUSADE IS 24X15=360

NOW THE HARD PART

360-150 = 210 DOLLARS LESS

It is even a better deal than you suggested. I agree with the premise though. GW is definately a better value than WoW.

Loviatar · Oct 13, 2006, 03:28 PM // 15:28

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Originally Posted by Titan Chrae

It is even a better deal than you suggested. I agree with the premise though. GW is definately a better value than WoW.

VERY TRUE

i was giving the most conservative example so as to leave no room for quibbles on it.

donjn · Oct 13, 2006, 06:00 PM // 18:00

Well I think I figured out the problem. As soon as I step through a portal I am lonely. It then feels like a single player RPG. And with Gothic III and Neverwinter Nights 2 coming out soon I ask myself whats the point?

The Pointless · Oct 13, 2006, 06:30 PM // 18:30

Keep at it until you're out of Pre. The quests will eventually get hard and more people will be willing to help. Hopefully. Or you can join a helpful guild.

johan the destroyer · Oct 13, 2006, 07:00 PM // 19:00

Well, you get up to 8 people in a team as you go later on in-game. And, when you're solo, you always have an alliance to talk to, which can have up to 1,000 people in it, so, after a little bit, you should have no problem with the loneliness. If you need any help or have another question, just message me in-game. My name is Johan The Destroyer

luxor9 · Oct 14, 2006, 12:56 AM // 00:56

nice math fellas!! that proves that only by being here from the beginning of guildwars can you possibly be spending less money than playing another game.

My point wasn't to start an argument just to say that the statement "free monthly" is very misleading when getting into this game. argue it to death I don't care.

cynnn · Oct 14, 2006, 05:29 AM // 05:29

Yes, in order for u to stay competitive and keep up with the group of players moving on, you gotta fork out cash to buy the new expansions/standalone gw. But.. look, you're not forced to do so. Anet doesnt slam a rule on your account saying, if u dont renew ur subscription for guildwars, your account will be denied access until u decide to pay up again.

Unless you are on more than 1 account, den i can safely say you're paying alot lesser than a WOW player who has the same number of account and number of months played. Although value for money is an important factor, the gameplay is still the deciding factor, value or not for money, is just a supporting factor for me.

And lastly, no, we're not arguing at all. At least i dont feel i am. I'm just trying to bring out some facts. Glad to see people who actually back them up together. Some people have a wrong impression guildwars costs alot more or around the same, but they dont know the advantages behind ANET's different business model

ss1986v2 · Oct 14, 2006, 05:41 AM // 05:41

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Originally Posted by luxor9

nice math fellas!! that proves that only by being here from the beginning of guildwars can you possibly be spending less money than playing another game.

...back to school we go!

MATH 102

Buy Nightfall. Play for 6 months. $50.
World of Warcraft. Play for 6 months. $15 per month. $90.

$90 - $50 = $40 less than WoW.

Math is your friend!

Sasuke The Betrayer · Oct 14, 2006, 05:45 AM // 05:45

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Originally Posted by ss1986v2

...back to school we go!

MATH 102

Buy Nightfall. Play for 6 months. $50.
World of Warcraft. Play for 6 months. $15 per month. $90.

$90 - $50 = $40 less than WoW.

Math is your friend!

Also, many people believe Guild Wars makes expansions as another form of P2P. That's totally incorrect. Not only do we get tons of new features we want, you DONT HAVE TO BUY IT!

Kook~NBK~ · Oct 14, 2006, 05:58 AM // 05:58

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Originally Posted by donjn

Well I think I figured out the problem. As soon as I step through a portal I am lonely. It then feels like a single player RPG. And with Gothic III and Neverwinter Nights 2 coming out soon I ask myself whats the point?

Assuming you've got Prophecies, One you go to the Acadamy, you'll be able to party up with 4 people afterwards - and later it goes up to 6 then 8. Polish up you're social skills and group up with people and skip the henchies for missions. (it's not as easy to get a group together for quests, for some reason, but you can try) One thing I've found is that as the missions get more challenging, the teamwork comes together better and when the group is a good one, it becomes a lot of fun!

Find a good guild (be sure to get aquainted with both the leader and several players before joining, tho - saves on heartburn), that does the things that you're wanting to do. It wouldn't be much fun joining a PvE based guild if you want to do the PvP thing.

If you want some help in-game, look me up, I'll go around killin' stuff with ya! I've got a character in the beginning area of Ascalon. Just add Dora Explora to your friends list and give me a shout.

luxor9 · Oct 14, 2006, 02:28 PM // 14:28

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Originally Posted by ss1986v2

...back to school we go!

MATH 102

Buy Nightfall. Play for 6 months. $50.
World of Warcraft. Play for 6 months. $15 per month. $90.

$90 - $50 = $40 less than WoW.

Math is your friend!

you really are ignorant aren't you.

add in the rest of the gw trilogy to be fair. $150 assuming the store doesn't ask you for tax.. why do I have to keep doing this shit, I've made my point and I'll say it one last time

TO STAY COMPETETIVE in guildwars, you will end up spending more money than playing any other top notch mmorpg out there.

Of course you have a choice to not buy the expansions..holy hell I know that.

"Nightfall is a stand-alone product. Those who own Prophecies and/or Factions are not required to purchase Nightfall in order to continue playing on their game account, and those who purchase Nightfall may play it without purchasing Prophecies and/or Factions. However, there is a high level of interconnection between the three games that makes having all of them an exceptional experience."

I'm talkin about those that DO!!! hence the TO STAY COMPETETIVE line. Thick heads man you guys paint your skulls twice a day or what?

actionjack · Oct 14, 2006, 07:09 PM // 19:09

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Originally Posted by ss1986v2

...back to school we go!

MATH 102

Buy Nightfall. Play for 6 months. $50.
World of Warcraft. Play for 6 months. $15 per month. $90.

$90 - $50 = $40 less than WoW.

Math is your friend!

You guys are poor at math...

Buy Nightfall. As there are no montly fee, you can play as long as you like (or take as much break in between as you like) Since people are still playing Prophcy today, might say it last 15month.

Nightfall. Play for 1 to 100 months. $50
WoW. Play for 15 month. $225 (excluding the expansion and box cost)

ss1986v2 · Oct 14, 2006, 07:37 PM // 19:37

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Originally Posted by luxor9

you really are ignorant aren't you.

add in the rest of the gw trilogy to be fair. $150 assuming the store doesn't ask you for tax.. why do I have to keep doing this shit, I've made my point and I'll say it one last time

TO STAY COMPETETIVE in guildwars, you will end up spending more money than playing any other top notch mmorpg out there.

Of course you have a choice to not buy the expansions..holy hell I know that.

maybe i am ignorant, but i dont see why i have to buy the new chapters to stay competetive in gw?

if you are talking pve, doesnt matter what new skills get released or what new weapons are available, you can still farm and play the missions in prophs or factions without ever playing the other chapters. hell, you could to teach a monkey to play pve!

if you mean pvp, then yes, you will miss out on some new skills that may be of some use. but that doesnt mean you cant be competetive. my e surge mesmer is still very viable, as is my shock axe, my WoH or Boon Monk, or my prodigy blind-bot/hp spam. all of which can run without any factions or future skills.

so once again, you dont have to buy the future chapters to be competetive, but i will concede that it wouldnt hurt. again, it all boils down to if you feel its worth it or not. and if the person isnt into the pvp scene, then there is no downside to not buying the new chapters. many guild wars players never play any pvp, out side of randem/team, and we all know that doesnt count.

kwaqualienz · Oct 14, 2006, 08:04 PM // 20:04

This is my first time on a forum and was trying to fiqure out a few things before purchasing GW. I like to play a rogue character with full pvp, pickpocketing and corpse looting. I played a text based game a while back called Duris that had a lot of good aspects of it and recently have been playing Neverwinter Nights which can offer some of those aspects depending on the server.
I find that some games seem to gear more to the warrior and offensive mage classes and dont give too much for a classical rogue to use his skills for. Any opinions? Thanks.

kwaqualienz · Oct 14, 2006, 08:18 PM // 20:18

"It's a mixed bag, really. You can enjoy both freely without either ever interfering with your main playstyle. Such is not the case in WoW. You won't get ganked in Guild Wars, for example as there is no free world roaming PvP. But, you can go to an Alliance Battle or many other PvP options and mess around in there for a little while if you feel the urge, then go right back to stabbing monsters." (Nickhimself wrote this)

A guy wrote this earlier in thread. I actually like that fact that I CAN get ganked because it adds a realism that I enjoy in a game. Danger vs. real people in pvp is cool, and droning on killing mobs like in WOW is gravely dull, in my opinion.

Oct 14, 2006, 08:04 PM // 20:04	#59
kwaqualienz Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Oct 2006	Thinking about buying Guide Wars This is my first time on a forum and was trying to fiqure out a few things before purchasing GW. I like to play a rogue character with full pvp, pickpocketing and corpse looting. I played a text based game a while back called Duris that had a lot of good aspects of it and recently have been playing Neverwinter Nights which can offer some of those aspects depending on the server. I find that some games seem to gear more to the warrior and offensive mage classes and dont give too much for a classical rogue to use his skills for. Any opinions? Thanks.

Oct 14, 2006, 08:18 PM // 20:18	#60
kwaqualienz Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Oct 2006	Also... "It's a mixed bag, really. You can enjoy both freely without either ever interfering with your main playstyle. Such is not the case in WoW. You won't get ganked in Guild Wars, for example as there is no free world roaming PvP. But, you can go to an Alliance Battle or many other PvP options and mess around in there for a little while if you feel the urge, then go right back to stabbing monsters." (Nickhimself wrote this) A guy wrote this earlier in thread. I actually like that fact that I CAN get ganked because it adds a realism that I enjoy in a game. Danger vs. real people in pvp is cool, and droning on killing mobs like in WOW is gravely dull, in my opinion. Last edited by kwaqualienz; Oct 14, 2006 at 08:21 PM // 20:21..

Oct 13, 2006, 01:57 PM // 13:57	#42
Coridan Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: US Guild: Old Married Gamers {OMG} Profession: W/	If u bought GW prophecies ....pm me in game if u need help. IGN Coridan A You can do this by hitting N on the keyboard and putting a persons name int the box. Also if u have prophecies. I would recommend staying in Pre searing until you are at least lvl 5-8 as it will help u play a little more effectively once u leave the starter area. Try all of the different secondary professions before you decide upon one. Hrm Not too sure about factions as I skipped that chapter. I have been playing pretty much non stop for the past 5 months and still feel that i have alot to accomplish in GWP. Although I am ready for a new chapter for "something new". Good luck and have fun. Also try several different guilds...people will invite u alot to guilds... until u find the one u want.

Oct 13, 2006, 02:53 PM // 14:53	#45
A. Noid Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: N/A Profession: R/E	Just one more thought, With Guild Wars, I get what I pay for plus free time to play it. With WoW, I pay for time and get updates for free. With WoW, updates are implied with no time line guarantee. Yo uwill get what you get when they are ready to give it to you. In the mean time, you are paying for time. With GW, time is free. Updates are paid for. It's a really nice incentive to get good, quality updates out to the customers. Kind of like a commission. For me, I'll take GW. -A

Oct 13, 2006, 06:00 PM // 18:00	#48
donjn Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Oct 2006	Well I think I figured out the problem. As soon as I step through a portal I am lonely. It then feels like a single player RPG. And with Gothic III and Neverwinter Nights 2 coming out soon I ask myself whats the point?

Oct 13, 2006, 06:30 PM // 18:30	#49
The Pointless Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Stuck in the UK Guild: Rage International [RAGE] Profession: W/Me	Keep at it until you're out of Pre. The quests will eventually get hard and more people will be willing to help. Hopefully. Or you can join a helpful guild.

Oct 13, 2006, 07:00 PM // 19:00	#50
johan the destroyer Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Nov 2005 Guild: The Spirits of Vengeance [TSoV] Profession: W/Mo	Well, you get up to 8 people in a team as you go later on in-game. And, when you're solo, you always have an alliance to talk to, which can have up to 1,000 people in it, so, after a little bit, you should have no problem with the loneliness. If you need any help or have another question, just message me in-game. My name is Johan The Destroyer

Oct 14, 2006, 12:56 AM // 00:56	#51
luxor9 Academy Page Join Date: May 2006 Profession: W/N	nice math fellas!! that proves that only by being here from the beginning of guildwars can you possibly be spending less money than playing another game. My point wasn't to start an argument just to say that the statement "free monthly" is very misleading when getting into this game. argue it to death I don't care.

Oct 14, 2006, 05:29 AM // 05:29	#52
cynnn Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Oct 2005	Yes, in order for u to stay competitive and keep up with the group of players moving on, you gotta fork out cash to buy the new expansions/standalone gw. But.. look, you're not forced to do so. Anet doesnt slam a rule on your account saying, if u dont renew ur subscription for guildwars, your account will be denied access until u decide to pay up again. Unless you are on more than 1 account, den i can safely say you're paying alot lesser than a WOW player who has the same number of account and number of months played. Although value for money is an important factor, the gameplay is still the deciding factor, value or not for money, is just a supporting factor for me. And lastly, no, we're not arguing at all. At least i dont feel i am. I'm just trying to bring out some facts. Glad to see people who actually back them up together. Some people have a wrong impression guildwars costs alot more or around the same, but they dont know the advantages behind ANET's different business model